Saint Vincent vs St. John Fisher: Softball Program Comparison
Two D3 programs. St. John Fisher lists $1,434 less in tuition; St. John Fisher graduates earn $6,962 more a decade out.
Which one is right for you?
Neither school is better in the abstract — they are better for different athletes. These are the differences big enough to actually decide on.
Lean Saint Vincent if…
- On the figures we hold, Saint Vincent does not lead St. John Fisher on any measure above. If you are choosing between them, the deciding factors are the ones no table holds: how the staff talks to you, where you would sit on the depth chart, and whether you would want to be there without softball.
Lean St. John Fisher if…
- You are weighing the degree as an investment: St. John Fisher graduates earn about $6,962 more per year a decade after enrolling.
- You want to leave with less owed: median debt at St. John Fisher is $3,750 lower than at Saint Vincent.
What it costs to go there
Published sticker price from IPEDS. Almost nobody pays it — athletic, academic and need-based aid all come off the top — but the gap between two schools is a fair read on the gap between two offers.
| Measure | Saint Vincent | St. John Fisher |
|---|---|---|
| Tuition & feesBoth schools charge one rate regardless of residency. | $41,100 | $39,666 — St. John Fisher leads on this measure: lower published tuition |
| Room & board | $13,918 | $14,342 |
| Est. year, all inTuition & fees plus room & board. Excludes books, travel and any aid. | $55,018 | $54,008 |
What you leave with
Federal College Scorecard figures for all students at the institution, not softball players specifically. Read them as a signal about the degree, not about the program.
| Measure | Saint Vincent | St. John Fisher |
|---|---|---|
| Graduation rate | 72% | 74% |
| Median earnings, 10 years after entry | $59,982/yr | $66,944/yr — St. John Fisher leads on this measure: higher median earnings a decade out |
| Median debt at graduation | $27,000 | $23,250 — St. John Fisher leads on this measure: less debt carried out the door |
| Debt as a share of year-10 payMedian debt divided by median earnings 10 years after entry. Lower is easier to pay back. | 45% | 35% — St. John Fisher leads on this measure: debt is a smaller share of what graduates earn |
Getting in, and what you'd walk into
Admissions and size. A coach can support your file, but at most schools they cannot admit you — the academic profile below is the bar you still have to clear.
| Measure | Saint Vincent | St. John Fisher |
|---|---|---|
| Admission rateLower means more selective — harder to get in, but not automatically the better fit. | 62% | 66% |
| Total enrollmentNeither is better — it is the difference between a lecture hall and a seminar table. | 1,442 | 3,674 |
| Where it is | Latrobe, PA | Rochester, NY |
The softball program itself
Division and conference set the ceiling; the postseason record and staff tell you what the program has actually done with it.
| Measure | Saint Vincent | St. John Fisher |
|---|---|---|
| Conference | PAC | Empire 8 |
| Head coach | Nicole Karr | Bari Mance |
How you actually get in front of them
Camps and questionnaires are the two channels a recruit controls. Where a program runs its own camp, that camp is usually the shortest path to being evaluated by the staff that would recruit you.
| Measure | Saint Vincent | St. John Fisher |
|---|---|---|
| Recruiting questionnaire | Yes | Yes |
| Program on X / Instagram | Yes | — |
Scholarship money, honestly
Both programs sit at NCAA Division III, so the scholarship rules are identical: 0 (no athletic scholarships). There are no athletic scholarships at D3 — by rule. But D3 schools often award generous academic merit and need-based aid that can rival an athletic scholarship elsewhere.
What to do about it this week
Questionnaires are exempt from NCAA contact-date rules, so you can submit one at any age. Do both, then follow with a short email to each staff.
Saint Vincent
Open the recruiting questionnaireCamps we track
None listed right now. Camp schedules go up through the winter — check the program's own site before ruling it out.
St. John Fisher
Open the recruiting questionnaireCamps we track
None listed right now. Camp schedules go up through the winter — check the program's own site before ruling it out.
Saint Vincent vs St. John Fisher: common questions
- Is Saint Vincent or St. John Fisher cheaper?
- Published cost is effectively the same — about $55,018 a year in tuition and housing at both, before any aid. Cost is unlikely to be what decides this one.
- Which school graduates more of its students, Saint Vincent or St. John Fisher?
- St. John Fisher, at 74% against 72% at Saint Vincent (IPEDS, 2023-24). That is the whole student body, not the softball roster.
- Do Saint Vincent and St. John Fisher offer softball scholarships?
- Both play at NCAA Division III: 0 (no athletic scholarships). There are no athletic scholarships at D3 — by rule. But D3 schools often award generous academic merit and need-based aid that can rival an athletic scholarship elsewhere.
- How do I contact the coaches at Saint Vincent and St. John Fisher?
- Both programs run a recruiting questionnaire, and that is the right first move — it is exempt from NCAA contact-date rules, so you can submit it at any age. Fill out both, then follow with an email to each staff.
Cost, graduation and enrollment figures from IPEDS (U.S. Dept. of Education, 2023-24). Earnings, debt and admission rates from the federal College Scorecard. Postseason results from the NCAA Division I softball tournament records, 2021-2026. Rankings from NCAA.com and U.S. News & World Report. Figures describe the institution, not the softball roster.
We work hard to keep all data for Saint Vincent and St. John Fisher accurate and up-to-date, but we sometimes miss changes or get something wrong.
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